BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

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BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

Post by joques » July 27th, 2016, 1:34 am

I seems that I'm getting variable strength AC buffs from Traveller's Tune, depending on which level of which dungeon I'm on. Am I imagining things? Or is there some other bug going on?

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Re: BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

Post by Drool » July 27th, 2016, 12:57 pm

I don't think it should vary. There might be something else going on, though. I'm not sure.
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Re: BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

Post by _noblesse_oblige_ » July 27th, 2016, 5:17 pm

They do vary in the BT1 and it is not a bug. There is a bump every couple of levels.
The light radius of Seekers Ballad increases and I believe that it will detect secret doors in the more advanced dungeons. The AC bonus of Traveller's Tune improves.
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Re: BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

Post by paultakeda » July 27th, 2016, 11:09 pm

_noblesse_oblige_ wrote:They do vary in the BT1 and it is not a bug. There is a bump every couple of levels.
The light radius of Seekers Ballad increases and I believe that it will detect secret doors in the more advanced dungeons. The AC bonus of Traveller's Tune improves.
But is this bump based on dungeon levels or character levels? The OP is theorizing dungeon levels and I admit I haven't played in decades and so haven't the foggiest.

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Re: BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

Post by joques » July 28th, 2016, 12:32 am

I've run a few tests. In Skara Brae and the first two levels of the Sewer, every play of the song will reduce AC by 1. Both in exploration mode and in combat. In lvl 3 of the Sewer and the first level of the Catacombs, every play of the song will reduce AC by 2. That's as far as I've gotten - can I expect a -3 buff later in the game? Not sure if I need it; right now all my front-line troops sit comfortably at L0 after the first round of combat :)

Edit to clarify: I went back to earlier dungeon levels and tested. It is related to dungeon level, not character level. I'll play #5 in the streets (or lvl1 Sewer), get -1 AC. Then enter the Catacombs, play again, and instantly get an additional -1 for -2 total. Same character level. It is consistent.

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Re: BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

Post by thebruce » July 28th, 2016, 9:01 am

Interesting!
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Re: BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

Post by Drool » July 28th, 2016, 12:38 pm

Okay, so, I did some testing too with the generic DOS version (not re-release, not remaster). First, I downloaded a super-party:

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Then I played Traveller's Tune. AC dropped by 1 in town, despite the Bard clearly being a badass.
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Re: BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

Post by smj123 » July 28th, 2016, 4:21 pm

This is actually mentioned in the BT1 manual. "Bard songs vary according to the difficulty of the
dungeon"

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Re: BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

Post by _noblesse_oblige_ » July 28th, 2016, 5:19 pm

paultakeda wrote:
_noblesse_oblige_ wrote:They do vary in the BT1 and it is not a bug. There is a bump every couple of levels.
The light radius of Seekers Ballad increases and I believe that it will detect secret doors in the more advanced dungeons. The AC bonus of Traveller's Tune improves.
But is this bump based on dungeon levels or character levels? The OP is theorizing dungeon levels and I admit I haven't played in decades and so haven't the foggiest.
Oh, it's definitely dungeon levels and not experience levels. I didn't think to clarify since the OP was asking about dungeon levels.
About every second time monster difficulty class increases, the potency of bard songs increases.

Monster difficulty classes are distributed as follows:
  1. Skara Brae (day) / Wine Cellar
  2. Skara Brae (night) / Sewers 1 / Sewers 2
  3. Sewers 3 / Catacombs 1
  4. Catacombs 2 / Catacombs 3 / Harkyn's Castle 1
  5. etc...
So, iirc, Traveller's Tune provides AC -1 for DC 1 and 2, AC -2 for DC 3 and 4, etc....
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Re: BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

Post by Drool » July 28th, 2016, 7:29 pm

That is such a weird mechanic. It makes sense, but it's so... unusual.
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Re: BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

Post by joques » July 31st, 2016, 1:17 am

Yup, can confirm that #5 grants -3AC in Kylearan's Tower :)

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Re: BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

Post by SuperDave17 » April 13th, 2017, 4:26 pm

Does the Bard Bow give unlimited songs like the Bard Sword and the Song Axe?

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Re: BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

Post by Drool » April 13th, 2017, 11:24 pm

I would assume so, but I'm having trouble finding it on any item lists.
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Re: BT1: Do bard songs vary in strength?

Post by thebruce » April 14th, 2017, 7:19 pm

It's on my BT2 and BT3 lists, but yeah not a lot of extra info added (yet). Gotta get on that... ;P
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