Other First-Person Turn-Based Party-Based RPGs

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Re: Other First-Person Turn-Based Party-Based RPGs

Post by Themadcow » October 22nd, 2018, 5:48 am

One more to add to the list:

Dungeon Travelers 2 on the Vita (currently on sale via the NIS website in Europe at least).

I've been playing this over the last week or two to scratch my blobber itch while on the move. It's a traditional Japanese DRPG in the style of Etrian with the usual Japanese tropes - so, some terrible dialogue and characterisation that just wouldn't get past the PC watchdogs in the USA for example (e.g. monsters are all female and seem to lose most of their clothes upon defeat).

However, it's got a solid character system with choices of multiple classes that can further specialise at levels 15, 30 etc (and a free respec at those levels if you want) into very specific types of unit. For example, Maids can become Bards, Mistress, Etoile, Dancer, Diva - all who function pretty differently. The core function of the Maid is HP/TP recovery, but Bards play tunes with certain schools of buff/debuff, Diva's sing more offensive/status applying songs, Mistresses crack the whip...

There are tonnes of active and passive skills and most can be upgraded on level-up, allowing for quite complex party builds BUT I'd also say that most of the skills are pretty standard with the odd interesting variation. Over and beyond that, there is quite a cool enchanting system that's based on # creatures you kill creating "books" that can enchant your gear up to 5 times per item, and the 'lead' character can equip special books that have more wide ranging effects such as increasing or reducing the encounter rate.

Difficulty is well balanced, with deaths a real possibility in combat and bosses presenting a real challenge. It's permanent save anywhere, which I'm not a fan of, but hey ho. Dungeons are well designed with good use of movement between floors and a half decent auto-mapping system. Like many similar games, it's hub focused with dungeons opening up as you progress.
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Post by Themadcow » October 24th, 2018, 4:46 am

For anyone who didn't catch Grimoire on release (probably a good thing, given the bugs back then) it's quite possible that v2 will be released at a discount in the next month / year / eon.

The Codex have released a new review of the game which should bring tingles to the private parts of anyone who loved BT1-3 and Wizardry 6-8:

https://rpgcodex.net/content.php?id=11029

"Computer role-playing games of this style and magnitude are not being produced in our present age. Not like Wizardry 6, not like Wizardry 7, or the classic party and turned-based dungeon crawlers of yesteryear. But the independent developer of Grimoire took it upon himself to craft such a title. For good or bad, like it or not, Grimoire: Heralds of the Winged Exemplar stands as a once in a generation contribution to the hobby."

I won't lie - it's interface is awkward until you get used to it, the mechanics are badly explained (hopefully the manual with v2 should help) and if you don't like Wizardry 7 then there's not much chance you'll like Grimoire. However, for a fan of this genre, Grimoire really is quite impressive in terms of scope, challenge and systems design. I haven't played it for a few months but looking forward to v2 quite a bit.
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Post by phimseto » October 24th, 2018, 7:52 am

I bought Grimoire at launch to support the guy (that's the one that was 20 years in development, right?), but haven't had any time to play it. I've heard it's pretty epic in scope, which sounds fun.

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Post by Themadcow » October 24th, 2018, 9:01 am

phimseto wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 7:52 am
I bought Grimoire at launch to support the guy (that's the one that was 20 years in development, right?), but haven't had any time to play it. I've heard it's pretty epic in scope, which sounds fun.
Yeah, it's the 20 years one from the "eccentric" Cleve Blakemore - he of the Neanderthal DNA and nuclear bunker fame. I played the demo a fair bit and then again on full release, but there were a number of things that were buggy or flat out broken at that time. The serious bugs have been resolved but there are a few mechanics (crafting and certain stat interactions) that still need ironing out in the V2.

Personally I'm going to wait for V2 to go back in again (probably after the BT Remasters are done) but I did get a lot of enjoyment out of the original release version, even if it was frustrating at times.
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Post by balinor » October 24th, 2018, 9:08 am

Themadcow wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 9:01 am
phimseto wrote:
October 24th, 2018, 7:52 am
I bought Grimoire at launch to support the guy (that's the one that was 20 years in development, right?), but haven't had any time to play it. I've heard it's pretty epic in scope, which sounds fun.
Yeah, it's the 20 years one from the "eccentric" Cleve Blakemore - he of the Neanderthal DNA and nuclear bunker fame. I played the demo a fair bit and then again on full release, but there were a number of things that were buggy or flat out broken at that time. The serious bugs have been resolved but there are a few mechanics (crafting and certain stat interactions) that still need ironing out in the V2.

Personally I'm going to wait for V2 to go back in again (probably after the BT Remasters are done) but I did get a lot of enjoyment out of the original release version, even if it was frustrating at times.
Ahh right, I had actually forgotten about that. It looks interesting but I can't financially support that guy. Shame.

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Post by ZiN » October 25th, 2018, 3:51 am

Grimoire seems to be the closest thing we can get to a real, old-school dungeon-crawler, Wizardry in particular. Keeping an eye out for that one, once this V2 gets released (eg. a properly finished and polished game) I'll definitely buy it on GoG.

The RPG Codex also shows the upcoming Aeon of Sands, a real-time dungeon-dancer-crawler to be interesting, so keeping an eye out for that one as well.

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Post by Gizmo » October 25th, 2018, 4:01 am

ZiN wrote:
October 25th, 2018, 3:51 am
Grimoire seems to be the closest thing we can get to a real, old-school dungeon-crawler, Wizardry in particular
What excludes Grimrock 1 & 2 in your opinion? [genuine curiosity]

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Re: Other First-Person Turn-Based Party-Based RPGs

Post by Drool » October 25th, 2018, 1:33 pm

Grimrock were certainly crawlers, but they were more like Eye of the Beholder in that their combat was real time.
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Post by ZiN » October 25th, 2018, 1:51 pm

Yeah, Grimrock is a fine crawler, but nowhere near as deep as Wizardry. It is not excluded of course, unlike Barrow's Deep, which I don't consider a dungeon-crawler, neither a proper RPG. An RPG-light perhaps.

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Re: Other First-Person Turn-Based Party-Based RPGs

Post by Gizmo » October 25th, 2018, 3:47 pm

ZiN wrote:
October 25th, 2018, 1:51 pm
Yeah, Grimrock is a fine crawler, but nowhere near as deep as Wizardry. It is not excluded of course, unlike Barrow's Deep, which I don't consider a dungeon-crawler, neither a proper RPG. An RPG-light perhaps.
Why not an RPG? (or why an RPG-light?)

@Topic: Thunderscape qualifies IMO as a first person turn based dungeon crawler; and barring a BTR:Clone, I would have accepted a Thunderscape clone for BT4.

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Re: Other First-Person Turn-Based Party-Based RPGs

Post by Themadcow » October 26th, 2018, 3:25 am

I'm not sure about RPG-light for BT4, more like a hybrid game - 60% RPG and 40% Puzzle game. If you were to put it in any category, it's definitely RPG, but rather than being a close relation of BT1-3, Wizardry, Elminage, Etrian etc it's more like a 2nd cousin.

Let's put it this way, if BT4 was de-branded completely I'd still have listed it in this thread but would have put plenty of caveats around it being a very different kind of RPG to most of the ones we're discussing.

So if I want a modern RPG you could recommend BT4 - but if I wanted a modern RPG like Baldurs Gate you'd say PoE or maybe D:OS, if I wanted a modern RPG like EOTB you'd say Grimrock, but if I wanted a modern RPG like BT/Wizardry... you'd struggle a bit outside of the Japanese titles.
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