Lucky you ! Saddly one of my PS:T CDs is dead (or perhaps even more than one now...)morte_rictusgrin wrote: ↑April 7th, 2017, 6:43 am I've got PS:T boxed copy with all CDs still running. it's 18 years now, FYI.


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Lucky you ! Saddly one of my PS:T CDs is dead (or perhaps even more than one now...)morte_rictusgrin wrote: ↑April 7th, 2017, 6:43 am I've got PS:T boxed copy with all CDs still running. it's 18 years now, FYI.
Yea, but gosh what happens in 20 years when the newest optical disks (assuming the tech isn't obsolete by then) refuse to read your 20-year-old DVD disk? And suppose the mainstream OS in use at the time doesn't recognize the file format or even more likely the hardware/OS/APIs won't even run something that ancient? Finally, yea, *maybe* if you never use the DVD disk for more than a couple of installs and you never scratch it or smudge it, etc., maybe it could still install the game 20 years down the road *if* all the other stuff I mentioned lines up perfectly--like the conjunction of the spheres...Atsuico wrote: ↑March 31st, 2017, 5:09 amConsidering I have 25 year old game CDs that are still working and have never had one fail I'll disagree. Plus, working as a professional in media technologies I can tell you CDs will be around for a long time as there is still no other media storage as reliable for consumer use.Salmanasar wrote: ↑March 31st, 2017, 12:05 amwell, "20 years down the road" your CD's probably wont work anyway. Their life expectancy is arround 15 years, sometimes more, sometimes less.
I see the children have come out to enlighten me on storage mediums. It doesn't matter if newer drives won't read my optical disk because I'll still have the option to dig my old commodore out of the garage and play them on it. However that's irrelevant because the fact is I bought a game, a physical game, and did not receive that. I've gotten bored of reading the rest of your post so I'll leave it at that.waltc wrote: ↑April 7th, 2017, 3:54 pmYea, but gosh what happens in 20 years when the newest optical disks (assuming the tech isn't obsolete by then) refuse to read your 20-year-old DVD disk? And suppose the mainstream OS in use at the time doesn't recognize the file format or even more likely the hardware/OS/APIs won't even run something that ancient? Finally, yea, *maybe* if you never use the DVD disk for more than a couple of installs and you never scratch it or smudge it, etc., maybe it could still install the game 20 years down the road *if* all the other stuff I mentioned lines up perfectly--like the conjunction of the spheres...Atsuico wrote: ↑March 31st, 2017, 5:09 am Considering I have 25 year old game CDs that are still working and have never had one fail I'll disagree. Plus, working as a professional in media technologies I can tell you CDs will be around for a long time as there is still no other media storage as reliable for consumer use.
CD/DVD's aren't "better" by any stretch.
I build all of my PCs with a floppy drive that has write support.
Sorry, but I hardly belive that you're adult Mr I-know-everything-about-data-storage. At least not mentally.
I don't know about you, but I put my money in the bank because the FDIC insures it.waltc wrote: ↑April 7th, 2017, 3:54 pm Like it or not, today the most reliable media preservation format is *redundancy*--that's why we have the "cloud", local RAID mirroring, local disk backups, dropbox, etc., ad infinitum. Heck, the Internet itself is one "giganormous" software library. Online services like GOG, Steam, and Origin are redundant services for your software--you put your money in a bank, OK; so you put your software in one or all of these services and if your house burns down (or blows away like the Wizard of Oz) and turns your prized CD/DVD collection to slag along with your local computers--your software's still safe--because you have legitimate copies of it in redundant locations! It's the only method of software storage and preservation that works--local storage on local disks is just a small part of any real solution to the problem of long-term software storage. CD/DVD's aren't "better" by any stretch.
You are both right and wrong.Atsuico wrote: ↑April 7th, 2017, 6:45 pmI see the children have come out to enlighten me on storage mediums. It doesn't matter if newer drives won't read my optical disk because I'll still have the option to dig my old commodore out of the garage and play them on it. However that's irrelevant because the fact is I bought a game, a physical game, and did not receive that. I've gotten bored of reading the rest of your post so I'll leave it at that.waltc wrote: ↑April 7th, 2017, 3:54 pmYea, but gosh what happens in 20 years when the newest optical disks (assuming the tech isn't obsolete by then) refuse to read your 20-year-old DVD disk? And suppose the mainstream OS in use at the time doesn't recognize the file format or even more likely the hardware/OS/APIs won't even run something that ancient? Finally, yea, *maybe* if you never use the DVD disk for more than a couple of installs and you never scratch it or smudge it, etc., maybe it could still install the game 20 years down the road *if* all the other stuff I mentioned lines up perfectly--like the conjunction of the spheres...Atsuico wrote: ↑March 31st, 2017, 5:09 am Considering I have 25 year old game CDs that are still working and have never had one fail I'll disagree. Plus, working as a professional in media technologies I can tell you CDs will be around for a long time as there is still no other media storage as reliable for consumer use.
CD/DVD's aren't "better" by any stretch.
We definitely did not get what we were supposed to with the manual. I may have misspoken regarding getting a different version, but even sear acknowledged what we received is not what we were promised:Godfather101 wrote: ↑May 19th, 2017, 11:02 am We have already the correct printed manual.
It is only 40 pages because techland reformated it.
There is no "bigger" version of it anywhere.
The fact that we have the same manual as the "normal" boxed copies was techlands fault too.
So there is nothing we did not get what was promised, physical wise.
sear wrote: ↑April 3rd, 2017, 10:31 am Hey guys, there has been some confusion about the Traveler's Guide/manual that we've been looking into.
When creating the manual, we agreed with Techland that there should be two versions, the full backer version and a shorter one. We provided separate text for both of them, with the Traveler's Guide being ~30 pages vs. the full manual's ~80 pages (before formatting).
inXile requested samples of the retail and backer boxes from Techland, however, as of now, none have been sent, so we've been unable to verify this. However, based on the comments and photos/videos we've seen online, it appears Techland instead took the full backer manual, formatted it to fit into 40 pages (though they didn't remove contents from what we can see), and then called it the Traveler's Guide. Rather than having two separate versions, they instead used the same one for all boxes, which was not what we agreed on.
We are assuming there was some kind of misunderstanding on Techland's end, but regardless, we are not happy to hear that the contents seem to have been changed without our input, and will be following up with Techland about this.