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Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 3rd, 2014, 7:00 am
by The Tallest
Woolfe wrote:They are humans, not bots.

Especially the Kitchen spam.

Essentially it is cheap to hire manual tech labour from other countries now. Yay globalisation
They write like robots. There's just no feeling in what they write. They also don't use any kind of structure in their posts. I'll admit, my grammar and punctuation is not the best and I know I don't always know the proper use of commas, apostrophe's and semi-colons but damn...those people can't type worth a spit.

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 3rd, 2014, 1:44 pm
by Drool
It's probably a script that's been run through Google translate and then copy-pasted.

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 3rd, 2014, 3:53 pm
by Woolfe
Indeed emphasis on the Cheap :?

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 6th, 2014, 5:20 pm
by The Tallest
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So...how is the "Report as people see these threads crop up" working out? To me...it's not. EVERY DAY these types of threads pop up. This is probably the worst I've seen it.

There were six damned threads all trying to sell people fake ids. SIX threads that all popped up spamming the forums for stupid illegal fake ids.

THESE FORUMS NEED A MORE EFFICIENT WAY OF WEEDING OUT THIS SHIT!!!! An email verification is ideal because it keeps these trolls off the site, makes the site look neater. How many of these threads are we going to allow? What's it going to take to get an email verification set in place to weed these things out? How long before one of these trolls post links to porn sites? It's only a matter of time before one of these threads pop up containing links that have viruses.

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 7th, 2014, 10:52 am
by Brother None
We have two captchas at registration as well as email verification. I think that's the max you can do without discouraging new users, though perhaps different permissions for newly registered users are feasible, we'll look into it.

It seems to be more on the spambot end than our end from what I can tell. I've frequented and run forums with way less strict entry barriers with way less spambots, we've somehow gotten on some popular spambot target lists I guess? Still, we do our best to clear them as soon as possible.

EDIT: we switched the CAPTCHA with Google's reCAPTCHA. Let's see if it helps

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 12th, 2014, 7:41 am
by PerfectWaist
Brother None wrote:We have two captchas at registration as well as email verification. I think that's the max you can do without discouraging new users, though perhaps different permissions for newly registered users are feasible, we'll look into it.

It seems to be more on the spambot end than our end from what I can tell. I've frequented and run forums with way less strict entry barriers with way less spambots, we've somehow gotten on some popular spambot target lists I guess? Still, we do our best to clear them as soon as possible.

EDIT: we switched the CAPTCHA with Google's reCAPTCHA. Let's see if it helps
I still recommend adding a question that's only human readable. Any CAPCHA can and will be solved by bots, but questions that need parsing of natural language don't. The question / questions don't need to be Wasteland-specific.

And IMHO hypothetical scaring away someone by asking surname of the general is low price compared to hordes of spambots that make reading these forums extremely annoying.

Spambots target forums they can log into. They keep logs of vulnerable sites.

Been administering a forum much bigger than this one a couple of years. No spam bots since we switched from CAPCHA to questions of natural language.

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 12th, 2014, 7:42 pm
by Drool
PerfectWaist wrote:I still recommend adding a question that's only human readable.
Like, say, asking what the second number in a series is?

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 13th, 2014, 1:15 am
by PerfectWaist
Drool wrote:
PerfectWaist wrote:I still recommend adding a question that's only human readable.
Like, say, asking what the second number in a series is?
No. Using any standard mathematical questions etc. won't do. It's extremely easy to write code that cracks all forums using the same validation method. The question has to be unique to this forum. Few professional spambot engineers care to write exception specific to this forum only. They could do it, but it's not worth the trouble and if they cracked one question, it doesn't take too much effort to change it. The goal of spammers is not to disturb any specific forum but to spread their ads as widely as possible. There's usually no point in fighting with one forum if the login can't be solved automatically.

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 14th, 2014, 11:59 am
by The Tallest
I think PerfectWaist needs to become an Admin of these forums. Not just a mod, but an Admin so he can implement some of these changes.

And I thought since this thread was moved it was a sign that the Mods and such didn't want to discuss it any further so I figured it was dead. Glad to see it's still kicking.

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 14th, 2014, 12:50 pm
by PerfectWaist
The Tallest wrote:I think PerfectWaist needs to become an Admin of these forums. Not just a mod, but an Admin so he can implement some of these changes.

And I thought since this thread was moved it was a sign that the Mods and such didn't want to discuss it any further so I figured it was dead. Glad to see it's still kicking.
Please no. The feature should be built-in in phpBB, it just needs to be enabled. (Q&A Captcha in plugins.) Shouldn't be a problem.

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 17th, 2014, 11:57 am
by tonurics
Well he's got my vote. ;)

Then again, there's already been a dramatic decrease in the amount of spam being posted. So maybe the current solution is working...

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 18th, 2014, 12:35 pm
by Zombra
So it needs to be a standard validation method built into the standard forum code, despite the fact that it's extremely easy to write cracking programs to defeat any standard validation methods?

:?

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 18th, 2014, 2:16 pm
by Brother None
We used the Q&A plugin on a forum I ran, NMA, as well ("What do we not allow?" haha), could do something similar here, but it's not the first solution.

Our admin put in a measure to disallow posting of links from newly registered accounts. That should help.

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 18th, 2014, 2:31 pm
by Zombra
Brother None wrote:Our admin put in a measure to disallow posting of links from newly registered accounts. That should help.
Hmm, I wonder if that's why we sometimes see posts like this one that look spambot-y but don't contain links.

I probably should have modded that one, but I got too many laughs out of it to kill it :oops:

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 18th, 2014, 2:33 pm
by Brother None
Haha yeah, I guess they'll get confused about it now :lol: Might make em harder to identify. Trash em for sure when they're pretty obvious like that guy.

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: November 18th, 2014, 3:35 pm
by tonurics
Well now I want to know more about his son and missing GoPro...

Related: the Robert Epstein segment is great: Talking to Machines - Radiolab It proves there are no girls on the internet.

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: February 3rd, 2015, 5:28 am
by PerfectWaist
Please.

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 2:38 am
by Lord of Riva
I wonder if it is related to the time Zones, couldnt you get a moderator in a different timezone?
when i look at the side before work (11 am gmt+1) its full of spam and bots, i mean you guys are doing your job but maybe you should think about another team member, this is a international bord.

(im not entirely sure where you mods come from, if this is already happening nvm me. We all work for quite some time each day, its impossible to fix everything ASAP)

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 9:01 am
by Zombra
Riva, it's also good to remember that mods don't have authority over the whole board; just specific assignments. You can see those by looking for the green labels on each subforum. When I see spam in the Torment section, all I can do is report it to the red names.

Re: Do these forums even filter?

Posted: February 4th, 2015, 9:45 am
by Tets
So basically the problem could easily be reduced if the green mods would get mod rights for other parts of the forum too.