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Crosmando · December 6th, 2014, 3:28 am

Also a million times more complex and difficult to pull off than a dungeon-crawler, as far as I know every video game that's dealt with time-travel has been more or less linear, and there's probably a reason for that.

EDIT: Also, there's like a serious lack of good old honest first-person dungeon crawler RPGs out there, the iso/overhead perspective and story-driven approach has taken over. Sometimes you just want to roll a Bard, a Magician, a Rogue and some Warriors and kill shit.

December 6th, 2014, 12:42 pm

Crosmando wrote:Also, there's like a serious lack of good old honest first-person dungeon crawler RPGs out there

Off the top of my head, all I can think of in the last 5 or so years is M&MX, Grimrock, and Malevolence. Oh, and Devil Whiskey. And Malevolence is a single-character game, not a party.

Crosmando wrote:Pleeeeeeeease no. BT04 was a funny game and it's writing was hilarious (as was that British guy who did the narration who's name escapes me), it poked fun at the genre very well.

Cary Elwes. Probably best known for The Princess Bride, Robin Hood: Men in Tights, and... Saw? Anyway, yes, he's fantastic. BT04 was a lot of fun (and I love the songs), but they scratched that itch. I want to go back to the world(s) of 1-3.

And I know I keep going on about 3, but I would love to have a game or games set in the other dimensions before Tarjan screwed everyone over. Seeing Gelidia before the ice spell froze the world. Lucencia before Alliria's torture and Cyanis's madness. Kinestia before Ferofist violated divine law and doomed his people. Tenebrosia before Scaedu's betrayal. For a dungeon crawler that was 99% fetch quest, there was a lot of story jammed into that game, which provides a lot of fodder for subsequent games.

The year I got Wasteland for Christmas, my brother got Bard's Tale 3. Those were the games I cut my RPG teeth on, so they both hold a special place in my heart. Even with a small amount of fantasy burnout, I would play the hell out of a new Bard's Tale game. A real Bard's Tale game.

IHaveHugeNick · December 6th, 2014, 9:04 pm

Ha. Everything is proceeding as I have forseen

Crosmando · December 6th, 2014, 9:08 pm

Drool wrote: Off the top of my head, all I can think of in the last 5 or so years is M&MX, Grimrock, and Malevolence. Oh, and Devil Whiskey. And Malevolence is a single-character game, not a party.

Well.... MMX yes definitely, but Grimrock is a Dungeon Master clone - it's combat is closer to a pure action game than a cRPG, Malevolence is single-character as you mention and more like a roguelike, it's also not actually a finished game and probably won't be for a while. Devil Whiskey is 11 years old now, so not exactly new.

But yeah I'd agree that MMX and Devil Whiskey (also Wizardry 8) are games InXile's team would need to have a look at if they were going to do a BT game, just for looking at how turn-based "blobbers" can be done with modern graphics and all the rest.

Dragoon · December 6th, 2014, 9:48 pm

I would love a sequel to Dragon Wars. Was for me my favorite "Bard's Tale" game.

December 7th, 2014, 4:55 am

Crosmando wrote:Well.... MMX yes definitely, but Grimrock is a Dungeon Master clone - it's combat is closer to a pure action game than a cRPG, Malevolence is single-character as you mention and more like a roguelike, it's also not actually a finished game and probably won't be for a while. Devil Whiskey is 11 years old now, so not exactly new.

True. Grimrock's much more Eye of the Beholder than Bard's Tale. Also, I hadn't realized DW is that old. Cripes, that means we've got really slim pickings.

But yeah I'd agree that MMX and Devil Whiskey (also Wizardry 8)

Look to Wizardry 8, yes, but its combat was... weird. Especially since I think you could go real time with it. Either way, it felt strange to me, and not just because of the kind of fussy formation system.

ShaneD53 · December 7th, 2014, 6:31 am

Welp. Roxy Friday is owned by Brian Fargo too by the way.
And here is Brian's statement on the matter as well:https://twitter.com/BrianFargo/status/5 ... 7198112768

IHaveHugeNick · December 7th, 2014, 7:54 am

Whoa, megaton.

I hope it is Meantime. Probably only project they can come up with that I will backup in a heartbeat without any reservations.

ShaneD53 · December 7th, 2014, 9:13 am

...THAT is a hell of a twist right there.

Lucius · December 7th, 2014, 11:36 am

That Van Buren filing was a month before the Meantime filing. I have no idea what they would do with that. Make a spiritual successor to Fallout called Van Buren? Considering Wasteland, that just seems, odd. My guess is Meantime is there next game. They probably grabbed the Van Buren trademark because they could and I bet they couldn't figure out what to do with it exactly.

IHaveHugeNick · December 7th, 2014, 6:10 pm

Van Buren game in collaboration with Obsidian?

Still, it would be quite bizzare for them to start two franchises that would be essentially competing with each other, and I figure Mr. Fargo didn't stay in business for 30 years without knowing the industry better then that.

Crosmando · December 7th, 2014, 7:26 pm

Obviously it's an RPG where the Cochise develops a time-machine and sends Synths looking like humans into the past to kill the Engineers so the Rangers are never formed

Crosmando · December 7th, 2014, 10:04 pm

IHaveHugeNick wrote:Van Buren game in collaboration with Obsidian?

Still, it would be quite bizzare for them to start two franchises that would be essentially competing with each other, and I figure Mr. Fargo didn't stay in business for 30 years without knowing the industry better then that.

He probably trademarked Van Buren just because he could, their would be no point because Bethesda owns all the original design docs and assets for Interplay's Fallout 3 and they'd almost never let anyone use that stuff, with their own Fallout 4 on the way and all.

And even if they somehow did, New Vegas itself was heavily inspired by Van Buren's design docs. There's even an indie project to make Van Buren (you've probably seen the guy posting about it on these boards). No point really, so I think Meantime is more likely.

-Archangel- · December 8th, 2014, 12:00 am

Crosmando wrote:Obviously it's an RPG where the Cochise develops a time-machine and sends Synths looking like humans into the past to kill the Engineers so the Rangers are never formed

And the player character is sent after them to stop their plan and help the Engineers

During that time your character has sex with a local woman that later gives birth to General Vargas

BTW, check out Paper Sorcerer if you want more MMX style games from year 2014.

December 8th, 2014, 1:40 pm

Lucius wrote:That Van Buren filing was a month before the Meantime filing. I have no idea what they would do with that.

Use it as jingling keys so they can develop a game without insane Fallout fanboys trying to turn it into Van Buren. "Look, we own Van Buren! We'll do something with that, promise!"

DarkNacht · December 10th, 2014, 1:54 am

Fallout and Wasteland have very different styles. Van Buren could be a place where they could put their more off the wall Fallout style ideas with Meantime following in the more grounded Wasteland line.

Lucius · December 10th, 2014, 9:26 am

DarkNacht wrote:Fallout and Wasteland have very different styles. Van Buren could be a place where they could put their more off the wall Fallout style ideas with Meantime following in the more grounded Wasteland line.

Even with different styles, it's odd for a developer to have multiple franchises with similar themes; in this case, post apocalyptic.

-Archangel- · December 10th, 2014, 3:06 pm

Lucius wrote:
DarkNacht wrote:Fallout and Wasteland have very different styles. Van Buren could be a place where they could put their more off the wall Fallout style ideas with Meantime following in the more grounded Wasteland line.
Even with different styles, it's odd for a developer to have multiple franchises with similar themes; in this case, post apocalyptic.

Really? So it was strange that Interplay had Baldur's Gate and Icewind dale at same time?

IHaveHugeNick · December 10th, 2014, 3:17 pm

Interplay was a major publisher not indie studio working with skeleton staff based on money received from fan funding.

Not to mention they kinda went tits up shortly after, which should tell you all about how expertly they conducted their business.

Woolfe · December 10th, 2014, 6:12 pm

-Archangel- wrote:
Lucius wrote:
DarkNacht wrote:Fallout and Wasteland have very different styles. Van Buren could be a place where they could put their more off the wall Fallout style ideas with Meantime following in the more grounded Wasteland line.
Even with different styles, it's odd for a developer to have multiple franchises with similar themes; in this case, post apocalyptic.
Really? So it was strange that Interplay had Baldur's Gate and Icewind dale at same time?

Not really.. They are the same world(Forgotten Realms), same baseline history etc, really just 2 different adventures occurring in different places. They used the Same engine, the same underlying world rules etc. So its purely the local story that is different, and they could be tied in with the overarching FR universe.

As opposed to say Fallout and Wasteland, that have very different universes, and different rules, different engines etc.