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Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 27th, 2014, 11:46 pm
by Crosmando
pseudonymous wrote:So drought is no longer a problem?
LA was flooded with radioactive water when a nuke exploded in the ocean near the city, hitting LA with a tsunami. I think I'm remembering it right from the novella.

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 1:57 am
by Vault_13
I see that inXiles' colaboration with those scientific guys you told us about some time ago went in a right direction :).

SHOULD WE EXPECT NEW BETA RELEASE TODAY :D?

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 4:40 am
by Crosmando
Vault_13 wrote: SHOULD WE EXPECT NEW BETA RELEASE TODAY :D?
Second this. Would be good if they got it out before the end of the week/month. It's already been a like a month since the last patch.

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 5:02 am
by Arcanix
Crosmando wrote:
pseudonymous wrote:So drought is no longer a problem?
LA was flooded with radioactive water when a nuke exploded in the ocean near the city, hitting LA with a tsunami. I think I'm remembering it right from the novella.
Salt water and fresh water is not the same.



"Osmosis and Salt Water"


Osmosis is the process in which plants absorb water through semipermeable membranes (tissues within the plants roots) at high concentration levels and move the water to a location with lower concentration levels. As plants obtain their water through the soil via their root system, the water moves freely and other chemicals and minerals pass through very slowly. When fresh water is available to the roots, the stem of the plant pulls the water through the roots, up through the stem and out to the leaves. When salt water is the available source, the roots and soil tend to play tug-of-war for the water. The plant uses stored energy to pull the water to the roots, but at the same time the salt pulls the water from the roots. After repeated exposure to salt water, a plant will wither and die".

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 5:12 am
by Wile
Whoa! Really love how the screenshot looks!
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Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 5:19 am
by Crosmando
Arcanix wrote:
Crosmando wrote:
pseudonymous wrote:So drought is no longer a problem?
LA was flooded with radioactive water when a nuke exploded in the ocean near the city, hitting LA with a tsunami. I think I'm remembering it right from the novella.
Salt water and fresh water is not the same.



"Osmosis and Salt Water"


Osmosis is the process in which plants absorb water through semipermeable membranes (tissues within the plants roots) at high concentration levels and move the water to a location with lower concentration levels. As plants obtain their water through the soil via their root system, the water moves freely and other chemicals and minerals pass through very slowly. When fresh water is available to the roots, the stem of the plant pulls the water through the roots, up through the stem and out to the leaves. When salt water is the available source, the roots and soil tend to play tug-of-war for the water. The plant uses stored energy to pull the water to the roots, but at the same time the salt pulls the water from the roots. After repeated exposure to salt water, a plant will wither and die".
Radiation magic. LA is essentially in a desert so I'd say there's some shenanigans going on if the city is that lush and overgrown in a post-apocalyptic environment. I doubt the water supply is being actively maintained, and the novella makes clear that after the Tsunami the water settled into stagnant lakes of radioactive water around the city.

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 7:51 am
by paultakeda
LA is not a desert. The climate of the basin is Mediterranean.

This lush scene can be attributed to a river close by. Easily. Water runoff from Big Bear/Arrowhead alone can account for it. And if the novella talks about pools of water they can hang out in areas where remnant city infrastructure keeps it stagnant. Those areas could also be lush for that reason, but the LA basin can naturally create this scene without a radioactive context.

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 7:56 am
by Arcanix
The effects of gamma radiation on plants has it that the plants die. Each individual plant and tree has its own resistance to it.

Doses of radiation exceeding 500 rads (a unit measuring radiation and equivalent to 10 milliGray) per day completely killed off plants, even those that had higher tolerance levels. Doses of 10,000 rads per year causes complete destruction of exposed ecosystems and their plant inhabitants. Some species were more sensitive than others, pine trees, for example, fall victim to doses as low as 5 to 10 rads per day

However...

Lower doses of radiation do not kill plants but can induce a range of abnormalities. Withered crowns, underdeveloped or misshapen leaves and unusual growth patterns such as gigantism, excessive height and over-rapid growth, characterize plants exposed to intermediate doses of gamma rays. When doses are sufficient to kill many of the existing plants, subsequent recovery may be slow.


Seeds exposed to high levels of radiation will not germinate. Seeds exposed to intermediate levels of radiation may actually exhibit higher growth rates at first, although the percentage of seeds that germinate decreases as the radiation dose increases. The gamma rays induce DNA damage and the higher the dose, the more damage to the plant's DNA they cause. Different plants may exhibit different tolerance levels, some seeds and seedlings can survive higher doses than others.
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So, from a scientific point of view that InXile picture is valid. There's your shenanigans

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 7:58 am
by Crosmando
Fair enough

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 9:46 am
by bastardrodent
Google Andrew Moore detroit disassembled...

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 11:44 am
by rjshae
The roads look to be in much too good a condition--the asphalt should be all cracked and broken with patches of bare earth and gravel showing through.

Other than that, it's excellent. :) Thanks for the preview.

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 1:44 pm
by J2K
Wow. I love the visual style of Wasteland 2, especially in areas with trees and vegetation. Thanks for the screenshot!

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 3:14 pm
by Woolfe
paultakeda wrote:LA is not a desert. The climate of the basin is Mediterranean.

This lush scene can be attributed to a river close by. Easily. Water runoff from Big Bear/Arrowhead alone can account for it. And if the novella talks about pools of water they can hang out in areas where remnant city infrastructure keeps it stagnant. Those areas could also be lush for that reason, but the LA basin can naturally create this scene without a radioactive context.
Also there is always the possibility of climate change, either localised, or as is more likely with the planet having hit by first the meteor storm, and then the nuclear storm, change across the world.
Plus as Cros suggests, radiation magic. Ie you say the radiation had effect X despite reality. Then model it in a realistic way but based on X effect.

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 4:03 pm
by randir14
I hope there will be some recognizable landmarks that have been turned into something crazy. Like in the novella when it talked about the cult using Griffith Observatory as its base.

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 10:54 pm
by pseudonymous
Crosmando wrote:LA was flooded with radioactive water when a nuke exploded in the ocean near the city, hitting LA with a tsunami. I think I'm remembering it right from the novella.
Yes, but the period of time between then and when the game takes place is too large to explain the fresh pond scum in the screenshot.
paultakeda wrote:LA is not a desert.
LA doesn't have enough water to support itself in the wettest years, one of the main reasons the Colorado River dries up before it hits the Gulf of California. Not that it matters, if the pond scum is explained in game and makes sense in the rules of the game, it's good enough.

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 11:21 pm
by paultakeda
pseudonymous wrote:
paultakeda wrote:LA is not a desert.
LA doesn't have enough water to support itself in the wettest years, one of the main reasons the Colorado River dries up before it hits the Gulf of California.
You are describing today's LA with tens of millions of human beings dependent on outside water sources, including the Colorado River. Prior to major waterworks, The LA basin could sustain hundreds of thousands of people just fine by itself with its own water sources. And yes, this includes the much maligned LA river, which is so much concrete these days because by nature that river meanders from Santa Monica to Long Beach making the entire plain its stomping grounds -- imagine if civilization wasn't around to control it....

Easy question: if humans weren't around, what sort of vegetation would the LA Basin have? Hint: it's not cactus.

LA is not a desert. And after the bombs fall in WL2 it may be an irradiated basin, but it won't be a dry one.

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 28th, 2014, 11:26 pm
by Crosmando
The most important question has yet to be answered: Will it have a sewer dungeon?

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 29th, 2014, 4:03 am
by Ranger1
If there's a sewer I want to see giant crocodiles and snakes.

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 29th, 2014, 5:14 am
by Arcanix
The most important question is: In that InXile picture, how much of that vegitation is medical cannabis?

Re: LA Area Sneak Peek

Posted: March 29th, 2014, 3:31 pm
by Sxerks
Considering the earthquake that just happened, has the design taken account for a hundred years of quakes?