Re: New Highpool screenshot
Posted: August 9th, 2013, 2:03 pm
Unless of course your ideal art-style for WL2 is this:


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All quite true ... however, my point still stands. Perhaps you're right and Wasteland was intended to be darkity dark, or perhaps it was intended to be bright and shiny, or perhaps it was intended to be a first person shooter, or only to be played on 12 foot high projector screens. The fact is, it was the way it was, and it did establish a visual style using the tools available at the time. None of what you have said proves that "no one" cared for that visual style or that no one wants bright colors; you've just proved that it is possible nowadays to make a game without bright colors.Crosmando wrote:Wasteland looked the way it did because of the limited color palette the computer systems they were designing for had. Which is why the c64 version looked so different than the pc version, and also the apple2. Who knows what Wasteland would of looked like if it was made in the 90's, it might of looked like Fallout or Dark Sun graphics wise.
Enlighten me. You said: "No one wants bright colors". I thought I knew what "bright colors" meant, but I guess I am wrong. Please explain to the class what the phrase "bright colors" really means.Also you do not understand what the word saturation means.
As I said, I agree with you that character proportions are similar in Wasteland and in Wasteland 2. That does not mean that photorealism is the goal here.And I was just making the point that InXile are obviously going for a realistic style, so with the camera zoomed out the rangers look small and their proportions look realistic in comparison to objects.
Well, we know that the game will ship with options for heavier or lighter saturation. Look at the very first screenshot ... go back to 2012 and read all the complaints about how it was too colorful, too saturated ... and all the support for that much color and saturation. I agree that the sequel has lost a lot of color compared to the original from what we've seen. This still doesn't constitute proof that no one wants bright color.This "realism" is also shown in the subdued color palette they are using. Don't believe me, just look at any of the released screenshots for WL2, they all have that subdued realistic tone.
As you please. All your points are refutable or at least arguable, but if you're satisfied, you can drop the conversation right here and let me have the last word.So therefore, I win.
(Note to everyone else: sorry I quoted that image so you have to scroll past it twice, but Crosmando insists that I never cut anything out when I reply to him.)Crosmando wrote:Unless of course your ideal art-style for WL2 is this:
And you know what, I'm going to backtrack on what I said here. On further reflection, the original Wasteland was clearly NOT intended to be darkity dark, or a "Falloutish" mud wash. Look at my avatar for chrissakes. Christina could EASILY have had a grey gun and a brown shirt with a brown collar, but she didn't. She had a blue gun and a different blue shirt and a red collar. Drools didn't have to have blue eyes; they could have had black eyes or brown eyes. But they are blue. This goes for all the graphics in the game. Brown and grey could have totally dominated the aesthetic, but they did not. The bright colorfulness of Wasteland was a deliberate choice.Zombra wrote:All quite true ... however, my point still stands. Perhaps you're right and Wasteland was intended to be darkity dark, or perhaps it was intended to be bright and shiny, or perhaps it was intended to be a first person shooter, or only to be played on 12 foot high projector screens. The fact is, it was the way it was, and it did establish a visual style using the tools available at the time. None of what you have said proves that "no one" cared for that visual style or that no one wants bright colors; you've just proved that it is possible nowadays to make a game without bright colors.Crosmando wrote:Wasteland looked the way it did because of the limited color palette the computer systems they were designing for had. Which is why the c64 version looked so different than the pc version, and also the apple2. Who knows what Wasteland would of looked like if it was made in the 90's, it might of looked like Fallout or Dark Sun graphics wise.
I'm pretty sure that IS exactly how it will look, no changes. If there were placeholder gfx then you'd immediately notice them, they wouldn't be this detailed.Drool wrote:Clearly, the screen shot should have looked like this:
Silly zebra. Everyone knows that gray and brown didn't exist until 1996.Zombra wrote:And you know what, I'm going to backtrack on what I said here. On further reflection, the original Wasteland was clearly NOT intended to be darkity dark, or a "Falloutish" mud wash. Look at my avatar for chrissakes. Christina could EASILY have had a grey gun and a brown shirt with a brown collar, but she didn't.
If you don't want to make textures more detailed to differentiate from one another, then you are just going to make the same texture. Even with reduced polygon count, you may be actually using a different texture, but it will look less distinct and give the appearance of reused textures, which is just as bad.Crosmando wrote:How so?highpoolNomad wrote:Skipping out on detail of textures for a larger game is supporting reuse of textures.Crosmando wrote: We are talking about the actual detail and polycount in the textures, not about reusing assets (which no-one is suggesting).
It will take me a bit longer than that (unless I get early access).Lucius wrote:Modders will have hi res texture packs out a week after release.
$3M with Unity is a lot, as most is actually going to salaries instead of the engine (whether writing one or licensing one - UDK). Normally about 40% of a budget goes to the software alone, but Unity makes is much more affordable. So do not sell it short. It will look much better once it is finalized.ffordesoon wrote:I love how people are shocked that the game looks like the screenshots we've been seeing all throughout development. It's almost as if the game has a small budget!![]()
It is both. You can create groups of individual items to use as a 'stamp', or paint with one item at a time. Both comes with multiple levels of randomization. Unity is more sophisticated than has been shown so far, but at this stage of development it is not surprising. The bells and whistles get added last so they do not interfere with the core game.dorkboy wrote:no idea how the grass asset works in unity; whether it's one big pattern thingie that you apply to a large area or individual brushes that have to be stamped out onto the ground like so much official paperwork, but it would be pretty sweet, in terms of sheer filler content, if it was possible to randomize the rotation (even within a hypothetical "big pattern"). provided the clumps of grass actually look different with different rotation, mind you..
That was my theory as well. That would be "cleaning up" work to make it look better. To get the game working you just need a tile with grass on it.4Aces wrote:It is both. You can create groups of individual items to use as a 'stamp', or paint with one item at a time. Both comes with multiple levels of randomization. Unity is more sophisticated than has been shown so far, but at this stage of development it is not surprising. The bells and whistles get added last so they do not interfere with the core game.dorkboy wrote:no idea how the grass asset works in unity; whether it's one big pattern thingie that you apply to a large area or individual brushes that have to be stamped out onto the ground like so much official paperwork, but it would be pretty sweet, in terms of sheer filler content, if it was possible to randomize the rotation (even within a hypothetical "big pattern"). provided the clumps of grass actually look different with different rotation, mind you..