if you could link me to your dispute with Captain Patch, i could make me a better picture of the different
viewpoints and arrgumentations.
I think most of it was here. http://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.c ... =10&t=2880
but honestly we tended to argue across multiple threads. So its not impossible that chunks of it are in other threads as well.
As to the descendence there are no difference in our knowledge.
? I'm not sure if I understand what you mean. Are you suggesting that it doesn't matter if the people involved in the Rangers went from just actual Army Recruited trained engineers, to them + Local survivalists, prison guards, other survivors? Are you suggested that wouldn't cause a change in the basis of the Ranger "force". Because we know its not true, as they did change enough to at least rename themselves. There is a huge difference between engineers performing "make work" to keep busy and people actively living through constant conflict. Especially as they were isolated for much of that time.
But the current form of military organisation of the US Army is not necessary the only form of miliary organisation.
The Mamelukes, Mongol Hords, Medival Armies and Cossacks had other form of military organisation and were clearly identified as an Army. So even with certain changes the desert rangers remain a typical military hierarchie and behavior and there are no other indications.
If there were any other references to any not army related behavior or something else, i would like to see it.
Fair enough, and no doubt correct, but based on both the title and the actions of your party, it is pretty obvious that whilst a military hierarchy exists, you as "Rangers" have a much greater autonomy and independence of action than in a traditional military force. Indeed more in line with a "police" force. So whilst the military hierarchy exists, they are not a military in the modern sense of the word(that we can see). Indeed they are probably more like a modern Militia. However the use of the term "Rangers" is suggestive of an internal desire to be law bringers, not just a militia. (in the sense of Texas and Arizona Rangers, who both became "police" forces) Indeed I believe the Texas Rangers are now essentially the equivalent of a "Marshall". At least that is what I have been reading. I am not a yank, and have no personal expertise out of interest.
Darkzone wrote:To the Protection of Equipment from an EMP.
As you can see i have taken the civil tech. out, so the chance of survival of any civil technology, beyond vacuum tubes is really small because those are really vulnerable to EMP form nuclear explosions.
This is not known. The suggestion is that dependant on the Pulse itself a lot of equipment would be permanently damaged, but not all. Most would be disrupted to a point where it would be unusable, but could be repaired.
Even vacuum tubes can be damaged by EMP.
Its gotta be pretty close and a real big pulse for that.
The Soviet Union had used vacuum tubes even in the last years of their existence in military equipment, because of the EMP.
If military tech. of the US Army in the 90s would survive an EMP? Let me speculate:
If they are in a shilding enviroment like a deap bunker. Yes they could survive.
Which in the case of the Engineers is not a consideration, as they were out on "make work" detail. Thus not at base with reliable deep bunkers. Indeed this consideration can actually be applied to many things civilian. How many underground parking lots, power facilities etc exist. Again this is dependant on the strength of the pulse.
If they are in metall casing and isolated from them. Yes the chances are higher.
Lots of gear in metal casing, not just military.
If they are in the open. Unless they are based on Vacuum Tubes, probably not.
In theory all of the Military gear would have been "in the open" as they were out building bridges, not at a base.
If they are turned on, and based opon solid state electronics. Not very likely. More a not.
Off provides a degree of protection, but again dependant on the pulse itself.
So the chance of survival of military technology is much much higher than that of civil tech, because civil tech is in the open, often turned on, not in a shilding enviroment and based on solid state electronics.
In general Yes, in the specific case of the Army Engineers who became the rangers. No it doesn't.
But the military tech is sometimes in a shilding enviroment, made durable, in the 90s and 80s sometimes still based upon older vacuum tubes technology, sometimes even shilded due to the kind of transportation, much technology is bunkerd, which means turned of, and if we take the history of Wasteland world into the account, then they were all ready to make a nuklear war on each other, so yes they had those things perhaps shilded. All those things lead me to the expression that i have made.
Yeah I thought that too, but as it turns out most military equipment and civil infrastructure was vulnerable at least into the turn of the millennium.
And in the knowledge that every Nation has bunkered for their Army military equipment like: tanks, arms, small arms, radio devices and even computers. I would say that only military electronic tech would survive the nuklear war and would be in use after it.
Yep, but the Rangers were isolated for 75+ years. Your team in the original game were one of the first to travel beyond the immediate area of Highpool and the Ag centre. And as they were out on duty at the time of the war, they wouldn't have access to electronic tech except for what was with them.
But if you would ask me how at least a good shilding should be i would say that i can't tell you.
If an aluminum crate with isolation (rubber) is enough to shild your equipment from an NEMP at low attitudes i don't know.
Yeah me either.
The whole EMP from nukes issue is apparently still a pretty vague area of discussion as far as actual practical testing has gone. The theory is suggestive, and many science fiction writers have run with it. But it is not as "known" as many make out.
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